{"id":6456,"date":"2018-12-07T10:40:03","date_gmt":"2018-12-07T15:40:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.blackgate.net\/blog\/?p=6456"},"modified":"2018-12-07T10:40:03","modified_gmt":"2018-12-07T15:40:03","slug":"the-problem-with-libertarians","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.blackgate.net\/blog\/the-problem-with-libertarians\/","title":{"rendered":"The problem with libertarians"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I was a capital-L Libertarian for a decade or so. The thing is, they are absolutely opposed to the initiation of physical force, because it&#8217;s the single greatest infringement of another person&#8217;s liberty. I think this is a good thing. For one thing, it would make the USA far less of an analogue of the Empire in Star Wars.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.blackgate.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/gadsden_flag_stupid_and_afraid.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/www.blackgate.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/gadsden_flag_stupid_and_afraid-300x200.png\" alt=\"Gadsden flag\" class=\"wp-image-6457\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.blackgate.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/gadsden_flag_stupid_and_afraid-300x200.png 300w, https:\/\/www.blackgate.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/gadsden_flag_stupid_and_afraid-1024x682.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.blackgate.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/gadsden_flag_stupid_and_afraid-768x512.png 768w, https:\/\/www.blackgate.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/gadsden_flag_stupid_and_afraid-1536x1024.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.blackgate.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/gadsden_flag_stupid_and_afraid.png 2000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>There are, unfortunately, two rather significant problems with libertarians. First, although they are opposed to the initiation of force, far too many of them fetishize the idea of retaliation. Once you do that, it becomes very easy to rationalize any violence or atrocity, because after all, &#8220;they started it&#8221;. You&#8217;ve seen the Gadsden flag, I assume, the one with the snake? &#8220;Don&#8217;t tread on me&#8221;? That&#8217;s not a celebration of living in peace and harmony: it&#8217;s a fetish symbol for someone who wants the opportunity to use violence and is looking for an excuse.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The second major problem with libertarians is that they are purposefully blind to the fact that physical violence is not the only form of coercion. 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